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| Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 04:18 am |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfnR4csaI08
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 05:30 am |
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JFK Jr was killed by his own stupidity and hubris. He flew his plane along with two passengers into hazy skies offshore at night (he was unqualified for instrument flying), was overcome with vertigo and lost control. The plane went down. End of story.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13th, 2009 02:46 pm |
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AgentOregon wrote: JFK Jr was killed by his own stupidity and hubris. Thank you for your version of history.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15th, 2009 05:41 am |
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote: AgentOregon wrote:JFK Jr was killed by his own stupidity and hubris. Well, in A.O.'s defense.....he is correct about the facts presented. He wasn't qualified for instrument flying which is akin to flying virtually blind if you don't know how to read them properly. It was hazy/foggy and at night and yet he attempted to fly that plane anyways which is stupid and does show a bit of hubris on his part. I started to watch the video but I got a tire kicker...errr..."customer" so I didn't get to finish it. I'll try to check it out in it's entirety tomorrow and then weigh in (I bet you just can't wait eh? LOL!). 
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 03:30 am |
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Neo Head Loon - Original M.A.I.M.
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Sigh....that video is soooo out of step with the reality and facts, it's just ridiculous. Joe Kennedy was a financier of the Nazi regime and made his fortune bootlegging whiskey out of Canada like a common criminal (see Al Capone). Ted Kennedy was NOT drugged and an innocent victim, he was a philandering drunkard that allowed a young aide that he was screwing (or attempting to screw) to die in a vehicle that he lost control of and went into the drink (< irony in THAT word). John Kennedy STARTED our involvement in the Viet Nam war yet they fail to mention this. Robert Kennedy was a cad. He and his brother were bopping MM and then he later had an affair with his brothers widow which just came out in the latest book on these bastards. I could (and will if you want) dissect this video one fact at a time if need be but it's a bunch of horse hockey. JFK Jr. started "George" because he wanted to, a magazine doesn't propel one into public service anymore than my creation of SFA or this place is a stepping stone to elective office, the premise is silly at best. Source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr. Ambassador to Britain In 1938, Roosevelt appointed Kennedy as the United States Ambassador to the Court of St. James's (Britain). Kennedy's Irish and Catholic status did not bother the British; indeed he hugely enjoyed his leadership position in London society, which stood in stark contrast to his outsider status in Boston. His daughter Kathleen married the heir to the Duke of Devonshire, the headIn 1938, Roosevelt appointed Kennedy as the United States Ambassador to the Court of St. James's (Britain). Kennedy's Irish and Catholic status did not bother the British; indeed he hugely enjoyed his leadership of one of England's grandest aristocratic families. Kennedy rejected the warnings of Winston Churchill that compromise with Nazi Germany was impossible; instead he supported Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's policy of appeasement in order to stave off a second world war that would be a more horrible "armageddon" than the first. Throughout 1938, as the Nazi persecution of Jews intensified, Kennedy attempted to obtain an audience with Adolf Hitler.[10] Shortly before the Nazi aerial bombing of British cities began in September 1940, Kennedy sought a personal meeting with Hitler, again without State Department approval, "to bring about a better understanding between the United States and Germany."[11] Kennedy argued strongly against giving aid to Britain. "Democracy is finished in England. It may be here," stated Ambassador Kennedy in the Boston Sunday Globe of November 10, 1940. In that one simple statement, Joe Kennedy ruined any future chances of becoming US president, effectively committing political suicide. While bombs fell daily on the UK, Nazi troops occupied Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, and France, Ambassador Kennedy unambiguously and repeatedly stated his belief that the war was not about saving democracy from National Socialism (Nazism) or Fascism. In the now-infamous, long, rambling interview with two newspaper journalists, Louis M. Lyons of the Boston Globe and Ralph Coghlan of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Kennedy opined: "It's all a question of what we do with the next six months. The whole reason for aiding England is to give us time." ... "As long as she is in there, we have time to prepare. It isn't that [Britain is] fighting for democracy. That's the bunk. She's fighting for self-preservation, just as we will if it comes to us... I know more about the European situation than anybody else, and it's up to me to see that the country gets it,"[12] In British government circles during the Blitz, Ambassador Kennedy was widely disparaged as a defeatist. When the American public and Roosevelt Administration officials read his quotes on democracy being "finished", and his belief that the Battle of Britain wasn't about "fighting for democracy," all of it being just "bunk", they realized that Ambassador Kennedy could not be trusted to represent the United States. In the face of national public outcry, he was offered the chance to fall on his sword, and he submitted his resignation later that month. Throughout the rest of the war, relations between Kennedy and the Roosevelt Administration remained tense (especially when Joe Kennedy, Jr., vocally opposed FDR's renomination). Having effectively removed himself from the national stage, Joe Sr. sat out the war on the sidelines. Kennedy did however stay active in the smaller venues of rallying Irish and Roman Catholic Democrats to vote for Roosevelt's reelection in 1944. He claimed to be eager to help the war effort, but as a result of his previous gaffes, he was neither trusted nor re-invited. [13] With his own ambitions for the White House in self-inflicted ruins, he held out great hope for his eldest son Joseph Jr. to gain the presidency. However, Joe Jr. was killed over England while undertaking a high-risk bombing mission in 1944. Kennedy then turned his attention to grooming the second son, John F. Kennedy, who won the 1960 election. 2nd sourcing: http://hnn.us/articles/697.html I can provide more with regards to this Hitler loving son-of-a-bitch if need be. As for Sirhan Sirhan, what was he doing there in that hotel kitchen and what was he doing with a pistol? Who got him in there and who gave him the pistol to begin with? Mind control? Please! Dear Kof, and with all due respect....you need to research the history of the Kennedy's, they are far from Saints and closer to Devils. They let their daughter get subjected to a lobotomy (which I must admit is good for Liberals but was applied to the WRONG Kennedy) which is and was a cruel thing to do. She was institutionalized thereafter for the rest of her natural days on Earth. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosemary_Kennedy Rose Marie Kennedy (September 13, 1918 – January 7, 2005) was the third child and first daughter of Joseph Patrick Kennedy and Rose Elizabeth Kennedy née Fitzgerald, born a year after her brother, future U.S. President John F. Kennedy. She underwent a lobotomy at the age of 23, after which she was mentally incapacitated for the rest of her life. Read the rest of it and see the horror that Joe P. Kennedy was and THEN tell me how wonderful the Kennedy's were (are). I hope they are all burning in hell and I sincerely hope that fat son-of-a-bitch murdering bastard Ted is dispatched to the gates of Hades tuit sweet! A.O. is correct, "Jr." died as a cause of his stupidity and hubris, and took two other lives with him, which is the "Kennedy way" and always HAS been. Let us NOT forget Cousin Michael who masturbated in a tree top while watching a neighbor girl undress in her room and THEN killed her with a golf club. That WHOLE family is disgusting and I haven't even covered the drunk and drug abusing son of Robert who has crashed his car into walls and other things and then "apologised" as he goes into rehab yet again. The only amazing thing is that Liberals allow these scum to continue to feed at the Public Trough by re-electing such social unadjusted, immature, pieces of human garbage and scum.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 03:58 am |
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http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/TheAssassinationOfJFKJr.html
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 04:02 am |
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Neo Head Loon - Original M.A.I.M.
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/TheAssassinationOfJFKJr.html Ok, deny actual history and go with the conspiracy theorists. Have it your way doll. I just showed you how the FIRST youtube was full of shit but that didn't even dent your resolve. I kind of admire that but I'm done playing if you won't even acknowledge it. Love ya, best to the Fin.  One final thing: The accusations made in that link are so bizarre as to suspend disbelief (NTHC). Obviously, you have no idea how hard it is to keep a secret, let alone one of the magnitude suggested (as in the whole 9/11 thingy that you believe in and I say that respectfully). Hell, we had trouble keeping secrets in WWI and II and Korea & Viet Nam, let alone something like this. Just "my" view hun, feel free to tell me to go to hell if you like. I'll still love ya! PS There wasn't a certified flight instructor on that plane doll, nobody has EVER stated that before this b.s. article. This article claims that the US A.F. attempted to cover up? That's nuts and as a former member of that organization I can assure you that military members are not conspiratorial at ANY level. Again, it requires a suspension of disbelief. On top of that, what does it have to do with 9/11/01 that happened later on? Ridiculous crapola.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 02:53 pm |
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That conspiracy article is complete bullshit. I read an account of JFKjr's demise in Aviation History magazine a year or so after the fact and there was no mystery or conspiracy or question about what caused the fatal plane crash...at all. None. Zip, zero, nada. Jr wanted to be the cool dude and fly his wife & her sister up to the island off Cape Cod but got in way over his head (no pun intended). He was not a seasoned, experienced pilot...he wasn't instrument rated...and he was flying offshore at night during hazy conditions. At night or in fog, pilots need at least two visual references such as lights on the ground to maintain a sense of balance and perspective. It takes just seconds without those two references for vertigo to set in and to completely lose all sense of direction...up feels like down...diving straight down to the ocean seems like flying straight & level. A helicopter pilot I knew...very experienced...was flying a medivac crew and landed on a foggy Oregon ridge top to pick up a logger with a broken leg. Joe Murphy, the pilot, was very capable & confident and had several thousand hours flight time in his logbook. But as soon as he lifted off into the soup (he thought he could fly just over the treetops until out of the fog) he lost sight of the ground & trees and his helicopter went into the timber upside down, killing him, the two paramedics and the logger with the broken leg.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 03:20 pm |
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AgentOregon wrote: That conspiracy article is complete bullshit. Common sense says diving straight into the ocean would not feel like straight and level flying. Have you forgotten about gravity?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 04:31 pm |
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote: Common sense says diving straight into the ocean would not feel like straight and level flying. Have you forgotten about gravity? No, I haven't. It may seem like one could tell if they were going straight & level or diving...but there have been many previous incidents of pilots without instruments losing ground references while flying thru clouds or fog...and losing total control of their aircraft, diving straight down or at a steep angle and thinking they were flying level. If they were lucky, the plane would come out of the cloud with enough altitude left to recover. I did a lot of job-related flying in civilian helicopters in the forests around here, much of it in fall & winter when clouds & fog were frequent. All the pilots I flew with were unanimous in their respect for (or fear of) fog/clouds.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 05:34 pm |
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Neo Head Loon - Original M.A.I.M.
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Again A.O. is spot on. A quick Google search brought the following: (I will just post the part of an answer given to a question that relates to this topic) http://www.askcaptainlim.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=245:do-you-get-vertigo-when-flying-through-clouds-or-snow&catid=27:medical&Itemid=53 "Any motion on a smaller plane is generally more obvious than on larger commercial planes. A well-trained pilot should not suffer from vertigo because he knows when to trust the flight instruments and when not to rely on his senses as he loses visual contact, especially flying through clouds or snow. Vertigo arises when our equilibrium is off balance. Our equilibrium is controlled by the semicircular canals in the inner ear. Remember, as a kid, you used to spin around until you were so dizzy that you fell down? Well, you have disrupted your balance center. From a pilot*s point of view, this is also known as spatial disorientation. It describes the condition when pilot*s perception of direction does not agree with reality. If the pilot is not trained to recognize this condition, he will eventually lose control of the aircraft if he was flying the plane manually. The aircraft will usually end up in a steep, diving turn known as a graveyard spiral. This was probably what happened to pilot JF Kennedy Junior in his single engine crash near Massachusetts Island in 1999 and the pilot of the Boeing 737 crash in the Red Sea resort of Sharm el-Sheikh in 2004." http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-55293284.html For pilots, the technical term is "spatial disorientation,'' a kind of vertigo that may have engulfed John F. Kennedy Jr. during his final moments. Wrapped in darkness over the ocean, with thick haze blocking out stars, city lights and what little moonlight there was to mark the horizon, Kennedy likely felt the crippling sensation that leaves pilots clawing for a sense of what is up, down or level. At that moment, little mistakes in the cockpit can compound exponentially, and life-or-death reactions must come in split seconds. Many pilots have felt the sensation at one time or ...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 07:13 pm |
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AgentOregon wrote: KeepOurFreedoms wrote:Common sense says diving straight into the ocean would not feel like straight and level flying. Have you forgotten about gravity? I don't have any doubts that flying through clouds or fog is more dangerous. What I'm saying if you are dead heading straight into the sea, you would have to fight to hold your head up and your upper torso as well.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 07:51 pm |
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KOF...Folks I have talked with describe vertigo as far worse than the disorientation experienced from spinning around. From descriptions, it sounds like one loses ALL sense of those sensations you describe...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16th, 2009 08:28 pm |
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Neo Head Loon - Original M.A.I.M.
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote: AgentOregon wrote:KeepOurFreedoms wrote:Common sense says diving straight into the ocean would not feel like straight and level flying. Have you forgotten about gravity? Did you read what I posted from those links I provided? Sigh......
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 01:14 am |
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Neo wrote: KeepOurFreedoms wrote:AgentOregon wrote:KeepOurFreedoms wrote:Common sense says diving straight into the ocean would not feel like straight and level flying. Have you forgotten about gravity? You mean about vertigo? Yes.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 05:02 am |
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Here's 2 photos from the late 1970s...spraying 2,4,5-T phenoxy herbicide (half of Agent Orange) from a Bell 47 piston engine helicopter in the Oregon Coast Range. Later, many Bell 47s and Hiller 44s were converted to turbine-engine Soloy modifications...but they were still a kick-ass ride, if not better, gnomesain?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 05:16 am |
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AgentOregon wrote: Here's 2 photos from the late 1970s...spraying 2,4,5-T phenoxy herbicide (half of Agent Orange) from a Bell 47 piston engine helicopter in the Oregon Coast Range. Later, many Bell 47s and Hiller 44s were converted to turbine-engine Soloy modifications...but they were still a kick-ass ride, if not better, gnomesain? And they crashed into the ocean? murdered JFK Jr.?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 05:29 am |
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No...the pilot flying in the pictures was killed in 1986 during a forest fertilization project...the main rotor fork broke and one of the rotor blades "departed". Russell Cruse, the pilot, died when the helicopter crashed into the ground upside-down. There were no conspiracy theories...the aircraft broke and the pilot was killed. End of story. His attractive widow remarried within 6 months...the bitch.  Nobody accused the new husband of having anything to do with his predessor's untimely demise, gnomesain?
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 06:43 am |
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AgentOregon wrote: No...the pilot flying in the pictures was killed in 1986 during a forest fertilization project...the main rotor fork broke and one of the rotor blades "departed". Russell Cruse, the pilot, died when the helicopter crashed into the ground upside-down. This just in....dot...dot....dot....he was murdered by the new husband! The Libs found out he (the old husband) was a registered Republican and it just pissed them off to no end. Some sources are pointing to James Carville.........  Ok...nevermind..... 
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17th, 2009 03:22 pm |
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AgentOregon wrote: No...the pilot flying in the pictures was killed in 1986 during a forest fertilization project...the main rotor fork broke and one of the rotor blades "departed". Russell Cruse, the pilot, died when the helicopter crashed into the ground upside-down. What does this have to do with vertigo or heading straight into the ocean?
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