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| Posted: Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 06:06 am |
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World News Zionism for Dummies By William James Martin The Palestine Chronicle Wednesday, Sep 9, 2009 [size=In pondering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict I have found that very few people actually have a basic understanding of the conflict nor could they define it in even rough approximating terms.] [size=Thus one sometines hears that it is all about Arab/Palestinian ‘terrorism’ and suicide bombings and the ultimate goal of the terrorists-Palestinians is to ‘push all the Jews into the sea, dead or alive” and that their motives are those of anti-Semitism and hatred of Jews. Those who hold this view see the conflict as one of the survival of the Jewish state amid a sea of irrational hatred.] [size=That is the view of the Zionists, and the one they would like for the world to accept. One also hears that the conflict is a religious one between Jews and Arabs and that it has been continuous for ‘thousands of years’.] [size=Neither is correct.] [size=The first Palestinian suicide bombing occurred in 1994, 40 days after the massacre by the Brooklyn native Baruch Goldstein of 29 praying Muslims at the Al Ibrahim Mosque in Hebron. The ’67 War and the Israeli occupation of the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip was 25 years old at that time. Thus an entire generation of Palestinians had grown to maturity knowing nothing but occupation before the first suicide bomber struck.] [size=The phrase, “push all the Jews into the sea, dead or alive”, can be traced to a 1961 speech to the Knesset delivered by Prime Minister David Ben Gurion. This apparently was the first use of this phrase by a significant political personality, and thus, for all intents and purposes, the phrase has a Jewish and not an Arab origin. The propagation of this emotional phrase throughout the Israeli-Palestinian debate has its source the Israeli Prime Minister himself. (See 'Who is Pushing Whom into the Sea'?)] [size=The view that the conflict is religious and that it has been ongoing for thousands of years is inaccurate. For approximately 2000 years Jews and Arabs enjoyed a harmonious relation, and for four hundred years up until World War I, as citizens of the Ottoman empire with equal rights. Indeed, Jews enjoyed high government position within the Ottoman Empire.] [size=Change occurred in 1896 with the publication of Theodore Herzl’s book, The Jewish State, in which Herzl propounded the idea of inevitability, immutability, permanence, and omnipresence of anti-Semitism and argued that the only solution was a separate state for Jews.] [size=Herzl’s understanding of the inevitability of anti-Semitism was possibly self fulfilling, for rather that opposing anti-Semitism in the first half of the 20th century, the Zionists found common cause with Hitler, Eichmann and the Nazis and used anti-Semitism and Nazism as a means of achieving their end which was the establishment of a Jewish state. The two reactionary movements shared the view that German Jews were living there as a ‘foreign race’ and that the racial divide was essential to maintain. (Historian Lenny Brenner has written three excellent books on the Zionists-Nazi collaboration.) The Zionist’s use of Nazism involved, among other things, the blocking of avenues of escape to other countries of Europe’s Jews and diverting them to Palestine, even as the death trains began to roll in Europe. The rise of Nazism and Hitler to power was never, or almost never, opposed by the Zionist prior to the establishment of Israel.] [size=History might have been very different had the Zionists component of Jewry opposed Nazism and there might never have been a Holocaust. And there might never have been a state of Israel, as many of the Zionists well understood.] [size=Lenni Brenner puts it:] [size=Though a region of Argentina as well as Ethiopia were considered by Herzl, Palestine was the site for which there was the greatest consensus. Of the indigenous Palestinians, of which there were about a million at the time living in Palestine, he said:] [size=Thus the concept of the ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Zionism was introduced. It is not rocket science. If you want to create a state exclusively of European Jews in the heart of the Middle East, you must first get rid of the Arabs.] [size=Herzl went on the found the World Zionists Organization, whose intent was to establish a Jewish state in Palestine and to make itself into proto-government from which the actual state government would seamlessly emerge upon the establishment of the Jewish state.] [size=Though the world seems not to understand the intent of the Zionist program, there was no misunderstanding among the Zionists themselves.] [size=In his 1923 book, The Iron Wall], Vladimir Jabotinsky, founder to the “Revisionists” wing of Zionism, wrote: [size=The ‘Revisionists’ advocated the revision of the British Mandate for Palestine to include the east bank of the Jordan, now the state of Jordan, as well as the west bank, the Jordan River forming the eastern boundary of the mandate at that time. The ‘Revisionist’ transformed over time into the present day Lukud party, the right wing party of Menachem Begin, who regarded Zabotinsky as his model and philosophical father, of Yitzchak Shamir, who became the leader of the Revisionists at the time of Zabotinsky’s death, of Ariel Sharon, and of Benjamin Netanyahu.] [size=And in a letter to his son, also in 1937, he stated:] [size=And in early 1948 Ben Gurion wrote in his War Diary,] [size=And in February 1948, Ben Gurion told Yoseph Weitz, director of the settlement of the Jewish National Fund and head of the official Transfer Committee of 1948:] [size=And in 1940, Joseph Weitz, who was head of land purchasing for the World Jewish Organization, and head of one of several ‘transfer committees’ (committees to study ways of transferring the Arabs from Palestine) wrote:] [size=And in 1983, Raphael Eytan, then chief of staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, said,] [size=Exactly why the indigenous people of Palestine do not have right to live on the land of their and their ancestors births, or why the colonial European Jews have this right, Mr. Eytan is silent.] [size=And in 2002. Moshe Yaalon, chief of staff of the Israeli Defense Force, said,] [size=Between the time that Israel declared itself a state in May of 1948 and the summer of 2005, Israel killed 50,000 Palestinians, according to Israeli Historian Ilan Pappe. And since October of 2000, Israel has killed 6348 Palestinians, according to the web site, “If American Knew”. The latter figure averages to about 2 Palestinians killed per day by Israel (1.932, by my calculation.)] [size=One thing is certain: Israel is not the victim, as it is constantly screaming, but the victimizer. What then is the conflict all about? What is the theme that runs through the entire history of Zionism? It is about the ongoing program of Zionism to destroy the Palestinians as a people and to assume possession of their ancestral land.] [size=There are Zionists who would settle for a two state solution and a withdrawal of the Israel presence to the 1967 borders allowing a mini-Palestinian state on the remaining 22% of Palestine. But the reality on the ground is that Israel has expanded beyond the point of retreat with 300,000 settlers in the West Bank, 183,000 in East Jerusalem, as of this writing, with 200 or more settlements in the West Bank some twice the size of Manhattan containing their own, schools, universities, shopping malls and the billions of dollars of invested infrastructure, both private and public, and a segregated, for-Jews-only, highway system, 300 miles long, cutting up the West Bank with Palestinians imprisoned between these disjoint concrete and asphalt barriers.] [size=But whatever the views of these moderate Zionists, who call for contraction to the ’67 borders, the dynamics of Israel is and has always been expansion. The centrifugal forces pushing the expansion are multivaried and complicated. They are religious, they are military, they are for want of security, they are from want of power for its own sake, but they are persistent and they have an entire century of momentum and a century of Zionism on the move.] [size=What the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is all about then is the destruction of the Palestinian people and their evacuation and the complete takeover of Palestine to the Jordan River by the Jewish state. And what hangs win the balance is whether or not the Palestinians will be destroyed and eliminated as a people with a distinct culture and history and with an attachment to the land of their birth and their parent’s and ancestor’s births.] [size=http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_56893.shtml]
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 08:50 pm |
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And another anti-semetic raises her ugly head...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 09:25 pm |
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In pondering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict I have found that very few people actually have a basic understanding of the conflict nor could they define it in even rough approximating terms. How in the hell could anyone not put the Jew-Arab conflict into rough approximating term? Well, here it is: Jews = American Settler's Palestinians = Injuns Talmud/Balfour Declaration = Manifest Destiny
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 09:27 pm |
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Bio2 wrote: And another anti-semetic raises her ugly head... Yeah, anyone who speaks the truth about Israel is an anti-semite. Except the Palestinians are Semites. Whereas 95% of world Jewry are Khazarians.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 10:19 pm |
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Bio2 wrote: And another anti-semetic raises her ugly head... Let me tell you something you little pissant. Half my family is Jewish. So shut up until you know something. You are so damned ignorant it is frightening. See if you can learn how to spell while you're trying to get some smarts.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 11:17 pm |
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote: Bio2 wrote:And another anti-semetic raises her ugly head... Who gives a shit. ALL of my family are AMERICANS. You want fucking sympathy? Go the fuck back to Israel, or Palestine or wherever you whiners come from. Until then, get a nose job, quit whining about the past and how fucking mistreated you are, and STFU.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 12:18 am |
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The word Anti-Semite is just a big misnomer... Id love to see somebody come on TV and tell all the people who want to invade Iran that they are anti-Semites... That would really confuse the fuck out of people eh?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 12:46 am |
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Mike Mitrosky wrote: The word Anti-Semite is just a big misnomer... Or better yet, someone come on the TV and tell the world "If Israel wants to continue commiting atrocities against Palestinians, expecting the U.S. to back them up, they got another think coming. They will have to go it alone".
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 02:20 am |
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Bio2 wrote: KeepOurFreedoms wrote:Bio2 wrote:And another anti-semetic raises her ugly head... So it is you that hates Jews. Who else do you hate? Your mother? Go ahead, show me where I asked for sympathy. Or whined. Or said I was mistreated. FYI - I have a very cute nose. I was born and raised here. What about you? Not only that, I'm a better American than you. Please note: "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." I sure hope you are trying to get some smarts, you really need it. While your at it learn some manners.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 03:00 am |
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote: Bio2 wrote:KeepOurFreedoms wrote:Bio2 wrote:And another anti-semetic raises her ugly head... Is that the best you can do? Should have taken the advice given you and STFU
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 03:19 am |
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Bio2 wrote: KeepOurFreedoms wrote:Bio2 wrote:KeepOurFreedoms wrote:Bio2 wrote:And another anti-semetic raises her ugly head... You still haven't learned any manners or become any smarter. "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." I finally learned from history....you are too ignorant to comprehend much of anything so why bother trying to communicate with you.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 03:23 am |
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote:
And just what have you learned from history? Why not let us all in on your discoveries. Do we need tin foil hats to comprehend your insights?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 04:11 am |
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Bio2 wrote: Mike Mitrosky wrote:The word Anti-Semite is just a big misnomer... HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Atrocities against Palestinians! LOL! Lemme see...didn't the most murderous bastard to ever be pushed out of a woman receive a Noble Peace prize? This was a man who murdered Israeli's on a daily basis by over-seeing the launching of rockets into Israel and by sending suicide bombers into Israeli market places and restaurants to blow up civilians. If you think you're right on this one dude, then you're the one that has another "think coming". HEY! I just thought of something very interesting! You and Gravyboat have something in common after all! Two peas in a pod if you will!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 05:24 am |
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Bio2 wrote: KeepOurFreedoms wrote: Do you have a tin foil fettish? Weird!!!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 01:20 pm |
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Neo, you ever seen a Palestinian rocket? You ever fire one of them Estes or Cox rockets as a kid? Well, it's about the same thing. Neo, the Palestinians are defending their homeland against foreign devils who run over their women and children with Merkava tanks. The Palestinians are so vastly outnumbered and undergunned, that they must resort to suicide tactics. This is simply the reality of the situation. Neo, Israel was in actual fact stolen from the Palestinian people, it's the truth so try and disprove it, but no it can't be done. America then has no business supporting pirates, which precisely describes Israel and the Zionist Jews.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 06:09 pm |
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote:
Nope, just disdain and disgust for idiots like you who see conspiracies in every event in life, who claim one thing yet whine about another, and who try to push bullshit as politics. In other words, idiots like you.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 06:19 pm |
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Neo wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Atrocities against Palestinians! LOL! Lemme see...didn't the most murderous bastard to ever be pushed out of a woman receive a Noble Peace prize? This was a man who murdered Israeli's on a daily basis by over-seeing the launching of rockets into Israel and by sending suicide bombers into Israeli market places and restaurants to blow up civilians. If you think you're right on this one dude, then you're the one that has another "think coming". HEY! I just thought of something very interesting! You and Gravyboat have something in common after all! Two peas in a pod if you will! And I guess you conveniently forgot about Israeli troops firing real bullets at children throwing rocks. Yuo forget about homes being bulldozed with little notice, to build their Kibbutzs. I guess you forget about jews machine gunning people in the street because they were "afraid of the Arabs". BTW, Arafat did not send the suicide bombers into market places and restaurants. You seem to forget there are at least 5 different sects involved in the struggle. But then again, you seem to forget everything, as proved by this latest post. And you claim to be a "historian". How old did you say you were? I remember all of these things. Why can't you? BTW Gravy and I are not two peas in a pod. I detest anyone who starts a conflict, then when they are about to have their ass kicked, runs to the U.S. screaming for protection. REmember the U.S.S. Liberty, or have you forgotten that also?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 09:42 pm |
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Bio2 wrote: KeepOurFreedoms wrote: You're so confused and uninformed. Very sad.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 10:07 pm |
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Bio2 wrote: BTW Gravy and I are not two peas in a pod. I detest anyone who starts a conflict, then when they are about to have their ass kicked, runs to the U.S. screaming for protection. Remember the U.S.S. Liberty, or have you forgotten that also? Yeah, we ain't two peas in a pod, Neo. Bio is a pea brain being led around by a carrot, I eat peas and carrots.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 10:16 pm |
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KeepOurFreedoms wrote: Bio2 wrote:KeepOurFreedoms wrote: But of course you are.
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